The "Let's Design a Set Together" Game

[Limited]

It can't be free, since the U will never equal U+G. And the land comes in tapped.

Simic Growth Chamber?
Island with Wild Growth?

What about 1GG for one land? Also remeber that the land has to come from the RFG zone and that is a liability in itself, as you need lands put there. This is different from a library search, more like a GY search, but even tougher.

This is true, but this is a card that, like Life from the Loam with Dredge, removes the tension of the mechanic. Having to choose between drawing a card or dredging something affects your mana-development.
In this case, having to choose between landcasting or playing that land creates that tension.

Yes, different in that you could pay more than 1 and get multiple effects, but by making the costs 2 or 3 generic allows for too much abuse of "good" effects. That's why I have kept them to 1 generic and then it would have to be combined with things like cost increaser to get more effects.

Thats why I have tried to make the added effect something small or something that complements the original spell. I really think that putting drops on a spell with just one generic mana in its cost is, most of the time, just going to be just like a bleed spell from Ravnica. Only the wording is going to be confusing.

I'd love to make a lot of cute drop-spells and then just a few with multiple drops, so you can have something like this:

Drive 3U
Instant
Tap or untap target creature.
~ deals one damage to that creature for each R spent to play ~.
Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature for each G spent to play ~.


Hmm.. maybe not the best example, but you get what I'm aiming for right?

I like all the totems, btw.

 

[Ransac]

HOLY CRAP!!!! I go to a workshop for the day (and every day for the next three weeks) and you guys FINALLY come back to life!?!?!?!?!?!!? What the hell, man?

I like the rotate series and the totems a lot. I'll give more feedback later.


Ransac, cpa trash man

 

[DarthFerret]

Ok, here is my first card that I think I got the artwork right for. I searched everywhere and could not find a named artist.

 

[DarthFerret]

This is just a first testing, let me know what y'all think. I will be doing more than one card at a time from now on. Just wanted a first reaction to this.

 

[Ransac]

Nice, save for one thing. The fire coming from the dragon gives the art a "Red" appeal to it. Is there any way you could find a picture that's kinda "light-mountain" or "sky-mountain"?

I know I'm knit-picking a bit too early, but just throwing my thoughts out there. Overall it's nice.


Ransac, cpa trash man

 

[Limited]

I like it! Kinda agree with Ransacs nitpicking, but we can worry about that later.

(btw, if the creature has a name, shouldn't it be legendary?)

 

[Mooseman]

It looks way cool. (yeah, I agree with the nit-picking)

Oops.... I forgot named creatures are legendary.....

Ransac, did you want these to be legends? If not, just change the name to "Dragon of Greed" and we'll put the name in the flavor text.

 

[DarthFerret]

I have another set done so far....but not sure about some of the artists. I also need to know which picture you guys want on one of them...

 

[Limited]

Dragon of Greed...
How about Avaricious Dragon?

 

[Mooseman]

I have another set done so far....but not sure about some of the artists. I also need to know which picture you guys want on one of them...

Fix the text on Deep Cistern to be "either the top or bottom"

The far right woods picture is better.

 

[Lythand]

ok..what exaclty are you guys gonna do..actually make the cards??


Like make your own set??

and like..sell em?

 

[Mooseman]

No. Make decks and play against each other. Maybe a draft or two and see how they work.
Selling them would be very illegal.

 

[Ransac]

Truth be told, I did not intend those "Evo" creatures are legend, so a name change would be great.

Ransac, cpa trash man

 

[Mooseman]

I quickly finished these and need them to be evaluated......


Red Totem Minion
<2><R>
Creature – Human Minion
<R>: <THIS> becomes a 4/1 Wolf creature with first strike until EOT
2/1

Blue Totem Minion
<2><U>
Creature – Human Minion
<U>: <THIS> becomes a 2/1 Berserker with flying until EOT
2/1


Black Totem Minion
<2><B>
Creature – Human Minion
<B>: <THIS> becomes a 3/1 Berserker with fear until EOT
2/1

White Totem Minion
<2><W>
Creature – Human Minion
<W>: <THIS> becomes a 1/3 Warrior with vigilance until EOT
2/1

Green Totem Minion
<2><G>
Creature – Human Minion
<G>: <THIS> becomes a 3/3 Bear with Trample until EOT
2/1


Red Totem Chief
<3><R>
Creature – Human Minion
<B>: <THIS> becomes a 4/2 Berserker creature with Fear until EOT
3/1

Blue Totem Chief
<3><U>
Creature – Human Minion
<W>: <THIS> becomes a 2/4 Warrior with Vigilance until EOT
2/2


Black Totem Chief
<3><B>
Creature – Human Minion
<U>: <THIS> becomes a 3/2 Berserker with Flying until EOT
3/1

White Totem Chief
<3><W>
Creature – Human Minion
<G>: <THIS> becomes a 4/3 Bear with Trample until EOT
2/3

Green Totem Chief
<3><G>
Creature – Human Minion
<R>: <THIS> becomes a 5/1 Wolf with First Strike until EOT
2/2


Red Totem Shaman
<4><R>
Creature – Human Minion
<1U>,<T>: All Human Minions gain flying until EOT
1/2

Blue Totem Shaman
<4><U>
Creature – Human Minion
<1G>,<T>: < All Human Minions gain trample until EOT
1/2

Black Totem Shaman
<4><B>
Creature – Human Minion
<1W>,<T>: All Human Minions gain vigilance until EOT
1/2

White Totem Shaman
<4><W>
Creature – Human Minion
<1R>,<T>: All Human Minions gain first strike until EOT
1/3

Green Totem Shaman
<4><G>
Creature – Human Minion
<1B>,<T>: All Human Minions gain fear until EOT
2/2

 

[Limited]

Red Totem Minion
<2><R>
Creature – Human Minion
<R>: <THIS> becomes a 4/1 Wolf creature with first strike until EOT
2/1

Well balanced.. Like the concept of the Totem. Not giving them a bonus, but changing them. Nice touch.

Blue Totem Minion
<2><U>
Creature – Human Minion
<U>: <THIS> becomes a 2/1 Berserker with flying until EOT
2/1

Perhaps it should turn into something more defensive? Like an 1/3 Illusion with Flying?

Black Totem Minion
<2><B>
Creature – Human Minion
<B>: <THIS> becomes a 3/1 Berserker with fear until EOT
2/1

Are Berserkers black? They kinda feel red to me. How about making this a Horror? Or a Ghoul?

White Totem Minion
<2><W>
Creature – Human Minion
<W>: <THIS> becomes a 1/3 Warrior with vigilance until EOT
2/1

I would have no trouble upgrading this one to become a 2/3 Warrior

Green Totem Minion
<2><G>
Creature – Human Minion
<G>: <THIS> becomes a 3/3 Bear with Trample until EOT
2/1

This one, I like! Take it to the printers

Red Totem Chief
<3><R>
Creature – Human Minion
<B>: <THIS> becomes a 4/2 Berserker creature with Fear until EOT
3/1

Ah! Putting a little black in the the red creature makes is something blackish..
Still Berserker feels wrong.. a Ghoul?

Blue Totem Chief
<3><U>
Creature – Human Minion
<W>: <THIS> becomes a 2/4 Warrior with Vigilance until EOT
2/2

Done. Printers are being called.

Black Totem Chief
<3><B>
Creature – Human Minion
<U>: <THIS> becomes a 3/2 Berserker with Flying until EOT
3/1

Another black Berserker... this calls for a flavor debate.
I think I'd really these to get a creature type that links to the mana that the ability costs (and maybe they could actually change color?)
"<U>: <THIS> becomes a 3/2 blue Illusion with flying until end of turn"

White Totem Chief
<3><W>
Creature – Human Minion
<G>: <THIS> becomes a 4/3 Bear with Trample until EOT
2/3

4/4 is still okay right? Would really push him into an uncommon slot..

Green Totem Chief
<3><G>
Creature – Human Minion
<R>: <THIS> becomes a 5/1 Wolf with First Strike until EOT
2/2

5/1? That seems a weird stat for a Wolf.. 4/3?

Red Totem Shaman
<4><R>
Creature – Human Minion
<1U>,<T>: All Human Minions gain flying until EOT
1/2

I don't like referring to a double creature type.. isn't Minions sufficient?
And this one seems a bit too weak.. for five mana and a not very impressive ability, I'd say 3/3 is doable.

Blue Totem Shaman
<4><U>
Creature – Human Minion
<1G>,<T>: All Human Minions gain trample until EOT
1/2

2/3?

Black Totem Shaman
<4><B>
Creature – Human Minion
<1W>,<T>: All Human Minions gain vigilance until EOT
1/2

4/2?

White Totem Shaman
<4><W>
Creature – Human Minion
<1R>,<T>: All Human Minions gain first strike until EOT
1/3

1/4? or even 2/5?

Green Totem Shaman
<4><G>
Creature – Human Minion
<1B>,<T>: All Human Minions gain fear until EOT
2/2

Ironically, the green one is the only one I don't want to be bigger than 2/2, because its a pretty kickass ability...

 

[Limited]

Rotate
When you play this card if there is a card named ~ RFG, you may put that card into your hand.
When ~ is put into your graveyard, if there is another card named ~ in your graveyard, you may remove that card from the game.

The first thing that comes to mind, is Psychatog.

I know that this is a weak argument, because Psychatog is already crazy good, but I think it serves as an example that having cards that come back from the removed from the game zone as a triggered ability is too easy to break. Especially with the cardadvantage it has when combined with alternative casting cost cards like Force of Will, Cave-In etc.

I think its a cute idea, but it seems to me it would too many fixes to be 'unbreakable' at which point it becomes very narrow...
I would consider putting this on one card (which would definitely not be blue) which has a huge casting cost..

Inklermage Familiar 3GG
Creature - Spirit
Rotate
3/2
At first I believed that this creature perpetuity was unique.
-Skahz, Inklermage

Something like this?

 

[Limited]

Doh!
Of course this powerfull Rotate ability has to go on a White Legend!

Behold:

Yahl the Cleanser WWWW
Legendary creature - Giant
When ~ comes into play, destroy all artifacts and enchantments
Rotate
4/4


Wait.. Did I just design a legend of which you need at least three copies in your deck? How weird is that?

@Turgy
I've formed opinion on how to make bad cards.
We don't.
Just keep submitting ideas of cards that seem playable, and during playtesting we can add mana to casting costs or drop some stats to downgrade the consistency of the set or of a given color. This way we'll play with each card before shelving it

 

[Mooseman]

Limited - Thanks for the input

Berserkers are Red, Black and Green (Vindictive Mob is black)
White and Blue don't have warriors, so I thought that they should.

I don't want the shamans to be very playable on their own so a change to 2/3 for all but the green is okay. It's the forced synergy thing.

I'll go with the All minions, instead of human minions, but there are a lot of minions out there. But, what the heck, minions it is.


Red Totem Minion
<2><R>
Creature – Human Minion
<R>: <THIS> becomes a 4/1 Berserker creature with first strike until EOT
2/1

Blue Totem Minion
<2><U>
Creature – Human Minion
<U>: <THIS> becomes a 2/3 Warrior with flying until EOT
2/1


Black Totem Minion
<2><B>
Creature – Human Minion
<B>: <THIS> becomes a 3/1 Berserker with fear until EOT
2/1

White Totem Minion
<2><W>
Creature – Human Minion
<W>: <THIS> becomes a 2/3 Warrior with vigilance until EOT
2/1

Green Totem Minion
<2><G>
Creature – Human Minion
<G>: <THIS> becomes a 3/3 Bear with Trample until EOT
2/1


Red Totem Chief
<3><R>
Creature – Human Minion
<B>: <THIS> becomes a 4/2 Berserker creature with Fear until EOT
3/1

Blue Totem Chief
<3><U>
Creature – Human Minion
<W>: <THIS> becomes a 2/4 Warrior with Vigilance until EOT
2/2


Black Totem Chief
<3><B>
Creature – Human Minion
<U>: <THIS> becomes a 3/2 Warrior with Flying until EOT
3/1

White Totem Chief
<3><W>
Creature – Human Minion
<G>: <THIS> becomes a 4/4 Wolf with Trample until EOT
2/3

Green Totem Chief
<3><G>
Creature – Human Minion
<R>: <THIS> becomes a 5/1 Berserker with First Strike until EOT
2/2


Red Totem Shaman
<4><R>
Creature – Human Minion
<1U>,<T>: All Minions gain flying until EOT
2/3

Blue Totem Shaman
<4><U>
Creature – Human Minion
<1G>,<T>: < All Minions gain trample until EOT
2/3

Black Totem Shaman
<4><B>
Creature – Human Minion
<1W>,<T>: All Minions gain vigilance until EOT
2/3

White Totem Shaman
<4><W>
Creature – Human Minion
<1R>,<T>: All Minions gain first strike until EOT
2/3

Green Totem Shaman
<4><G>
Creature – Human Minion
<1B>,<T>: All Minions gain fear until EOT
2/2

 

[Mooseman]

Basically they will follow the Licid template, but change to a triggered ability.
And no +1/+1 counters. Also, Stirge will not revert back to a creature.

King Stirge – Submitted by mooseman
2BB
Creature – Bird Legend
1/2
Flying
Whenever <THIS> deals combat damage to a player , <THIS> becomes an aura that states "During your upkeep, player last damaged by <THIS>,loses 1 life . When that player leaves the game, this effect ends.

Stirge – Submitted by mooseman
1BB
Creature - Bird
1/2
Flying
Whenever <THIS> deals combat damage to a creature , <THIS> becomes an aura with "enchant creature" that states "During upkeep of enchanted creatures controller, put a -1/-1 counter on enchanted creature .

 

[Mooseman]

Turgy,
Would this be somewhat better?

Rotate
When you play <THIS>, search your graveyard for a card named <THIS>, remove that card from the game.
When <THIS> is put into the graveyard, search RFG for a card named <THIS> and put it into your hand.