Some British site is ripping off my articles

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rakso

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I have a bit of a problem.

A site called "UK Collectible Card Games" has been posting some of my articles... but without my name. Instead, they just made up an anonymous feature called "T1 Season." The articles are being posted by some guy named Simeon Jones.

At present they have an article I wrote on casual Pestilence decks and a comprehensive guide and history to Sligh since 1995. These have been posted on Beyond Dominia, CPA, and Magic Word (www.mtgword.com) before, but this UK site is ripping them off.

The site's URL is: www.psi-soft.co.uk

The links to my articles as posted on Beyond Dominia are:
http://www.bdominia.com/discus/articles/pestilenceFAQ.html
http://www.bdominia.addr.com/discus/messages/9/13311.shtml

I do believe a lot of people who know about Type I know when I wrote these guides. The ridiculous thing is that they've always been available for free for whoever wants them, and as mentioned, a few other sites have availed of them.

Don't you think this is far, far dumber than cheating in Pro Tours?

This is extremely dishonest and disrespectful.

I'd like to request anyone on this list for information on this site. Who's running it for starters. I think this is the kind of thing you don't pass up, and I seriously doubt a simple apology will do.

Oh... and if anyone decides not to buy anything from this site, I'd like to thank you in advance and assure you that you are accumulating good karma.
 
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Hetemti

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Screw boycotts. Sick a ravenous lawyer on their oink, sue them up the wazoo for theft of intellectual property (plagerisim), and then buy a few hundred sets of the P10 (and send one to me :)) and take a four-year vacation around the world with the winnings.
 
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theorgg

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When this happened to the CPA's Rosewater interview, I contacted the site and told them plainly to either take it down, or put a link to the original article on the CPA and to put my name on it(instead of an absence of name.)

Contact the guy who runs the site, and tell him in no-nonsense terms that the guy posting them is taking your items, and then offer proof that exists here and at Beond Dominia.

Protect your intellectual property.
 
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Zadok001

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Nail the bastards. And feel very good about yourself - You're good enough to rip off.
 
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Apollo

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Just a note, it's unlikely but they might not actually know they're ripping you off. It's possible that this "Simeon Jones" guy is taking your articles and submitting them, and this site is unwittingly ripping you. In any case, you should email them immediately and let 'em know in no uncertain terms that you want credit or you want it gone.
 
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Chaos Turtle

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After I foolishly fired of an angry email, I heard back from Simeon Jones, the Director of Psisoft.

It turns out that he is receiving these articles in emails from the bdominia eGroup, to which he is subscribed. Either he didn't realize that he was subscribed, or he forgot. In any case, he removed the articles immediately, and I suggested that he take precautions to ensure that original authors are properly credited in the future.

There's no fire here. Would the crowd please disperse. ;)
 
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Gizmo

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Apollo:
Simeon Jones is the man who runs the site. He`s a very unpopular person in the UK, to the extent that he has been almost entirely ostracised by the entire UK playing community.
He leads the group known as 'Ethical Traders' :rolleyes:
 
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Neo_Keo

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Is the UK's definition of Ethical different from around here ? :confused:
 
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Zadok001

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(I was actually trying to make a mockery of that whole argument, Griffy. :) )

On the plus side, this means ALL of Bdominaria is good enough to rip off...
 
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rakso

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Originally posted by Chaos Turtle
After I foolishly fired of an angry email, I heard back from Simeon Jones, the Director of Psisoft.

It turns out that he is receiving these articles in emails from the bdominia eGroup, to which he is subscribed. Either he didn't realize that he was subscribed, or he forgot. In any case, he removed the articles immediately, and I suggested that he take precautions to ensure that original authors are properly credited in the future.

There's no fire here. Would the crowd please disperse. ;)
Thanks for the vote of confidence, guys.

Chaos Turtle, may I request for a copy of that e-mail?

Because if that's what you're saying, then Simeon Jones is a complete liar.

He claims that someone just forwarded him the articles, which were strangely edited to remove references to me.

If he's subscribed to the BD e-group, then he can't possibly NOT know who wrote them, right?

Moreover, I MODERATE the BD e-group... Who sends primers there?
 
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Griffith_se

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Originally posted by Zadok001
(I was actually trying to make a mockery of that whole argument, Griffy. :) )
If you say so. :p

:cool:

You know I'm just j/k, right?

...
 
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Gizmo

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Joe, from Cutting Edge Card replied on the UK newsgroup:

And I would suggest to you that you checked the source of such material before publishing it. More cynical people than I might suggest that you could rip off articles as you saw fit and then plead that they wre sent "anonymously" to you. More evil people than I might start ripping off articles and sending them to you to cause you trouble and since you obviously make no checks on their source or require an identity for the "author" you'll publish them and then wait for the original writer to ask that you remove the offending article, out of goodwill of course and not because of any breach of copyright, ohhhh no.

Joe


And Neil Yates:

Mr. Jones is also in the habit of ripping newsgroup postings
straight off here and posting them up as "articles" on his site.
For example, my Nobby Dobscrub PTQ report...
 

Spiderman

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per rakso's request, this is his reply to Simeon Jones after he replied to rakso's original post on the Beyond Dominia newsgroup.

----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Tan
To: Simeon_Jones@psi-soft.co.uk
Cc: Beyond Dominia e-group ; jokulgoblin@yahoogroups.com ; meridianmagic@egroups.com ; Star City e-group
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:33 AM
Subject: Internet articles and intellectual dishonesty


Simeon, I'd like the other people who heard this to hear my reply as well.

The issue isn't you posting my articles on your site without any acknowledgement of my efforts or Beyond Dominia.

The issue is quite a bit of dishonesty and disrespect that I don't ever want to happen to another writer again.

I believe that your treatment of the issue is amazingly cavalier because:

1) If you received the information from an e-group, it doesn't necessarily mean you have permission from the author to post it on your site.

2) If you received the information from an e-group, it doesn't mean you can post it on your site without ACKNOWLEDGING THE AUTHOR.

3) Someone from the CPA said you claim you got the file you forwarded from the Beyond Dominia e-group which I moderate. It could actually be true, in which case there's no way you could have NOT KNOWN who wrote those articles.

4) And if you got it from the Beyond Dominia e-group, then you were certainly obligated to at least mention the URL instead of--intentionally or not--making it appear that someone sent the stuff to your site for posting.


If you "thought nothing more of it at the time" then I think you have a serious problem. I'm spelling it out to you that what you were doing is impolite and dishonest, at the very least.

And at the very least, that Sligh Primer you posted was so comprehensive that any decent editor like Scott Johns or The Ferrett would've thought to ask who wrote it. Not asking is pretty much like theft in this case, wouldn't you think?

Here's the link to the Sligh Primer: http://www.bdominia.addr.com/discus/messages/9/13311.shtml

Check it out, and you tell me that you can believe some guy didn't put a lot of heart into that, considering it even has tourney reports and old Dojo references all the way back to 1995. And credit to people like Ben Rubin, Darwin Kastle, Eric Taylor and Alex Shvartsman was all carefully included in that article for their E-MAIL where it was quoted. How can you be less honest than the article you posted?

And tell me it's not your fault that you didn't know who e-mailed you and who wrote it. (In law, that's the Hitler defense, dude.)

A note saying you've removed the articles isn't going to wash, because it doesn't assure me that you won't ever do it again. The only reason I e-mailed a bunch of other people (and why a friend offered to e-mail the UK Newsgroup) is because I want them to know that what you were doing was extremely dishonest and I wanted someone to tell me who was doing it.

Again, this e-mail of yours is far from enough.

If your intentions are truly pure and all this was just a lapse of judgment, I believe:

1) You should apologize. Publicly. On your own site, and maybe on mine, too.

2) You should extend the compensation you give your paid writers to me for those articles you posted without my name.


It's not really your posting of the articles that ticks me off. Those articles have been on the Net for over two years and have been posted on several websites aside from Beyond Dominia. I've just been happy to get thanks from people who read them. You can post them so long as you credit me and Beyond Dominia; I'd even be happy to have helped your site. It's not even difficult to give credit where it's due.

To the people reading this, I hope you take action if ever it happens again, to anyone. Everyone complains about cheating in Pro Tours? Don't you think taking articles from sites that are already free is even more ridiculous?

Hope to hear from you again, Simeon.

Rakso
rakso@bdominia.com
rakso on #BDChat on Newnet
Manila, Philippines
Type I, Extended and Casual Maintainer, Beyond Dominia (http://www.bdominia.com/discus/messages/9/9.shtml)
Featured writer, Star City Games (http://www.starcitygames.com/php/news/archive.php?Article=Oscar Tan)
Proud member of the Casual Player's Alliance (http://www.casualplayers.org)



----- Original Message -----
From: Simeon Jones
To: Oscar Tan
Cc: Beyond Dominia e-group ; jokulgoblin@yahoogroups.com ; meridianmagic@egroups.com ; Star City e-group
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:38 AM
Subject: RE: A British site is ripping off my articles


Oscar, This information was received by me in an email after I joined an egroup on yahoo, which is by definition a public domain source, akin to a newsgroup.

These emails had no details of copyright or other information on them, and from their source I assumed that they were for public consumption.

The only change of formatting that was carried out on the articles was to comply with our site's look and feel.
I enclose a copy of the email that I received, along with the headers.
If you are claiming copyright on these articles then I suggest that you track down the original feed and have this discussion with them.
I will remove them from my site, but I would have suggested that a direct approach to the site you had a problem with would been a better bet than a splurge across multiple other unconnected site..
This email looks like many others I receive offering material for publication and I thought nothing more of it at the time.

As for comments such as "Oh... and if anyone decides not to buy anything from this site, I'd like to thank you in advance and assure you that you are accumulating good karma. "
The site in question is http://www.britishcollectiblecards.com
As can be seen from our Public Eye feedback, we have a customer satisfaction rate of over 90%, and will happly process international orders.
I believe that the bad karma of the potentially damaging comments have now been cancelled out by the good karma of an ad.

I actively pursue anyone breaching the copyright of any articles published on my site, or any other sites I see doing this practice, as some of the sites you have forward this information onto can testify to first hand.

I enclose a copy of the email I received from Yahoo
If you read it, you will see that it looks pretty "public domain".

Return-Path: <notify-return-simjon=psi-soft.co.uk@yahoogroups.com>
Delivered-To: simjon@waverider.co.uk
Received: from n25.groups.yahoo.com (n25.groups.yahoo.com [216.115.96.75])
by mail.waverider.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 86D4C43827
for <simjon@psi-soft.co.uk>; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:09:19 +0100 (BST)
X-eGroups-Return: notify-return-simjon=psi-soft.co.uk@yahoogroups.com
Received: from [10.1.2.207] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2001 12:09:22 -0000
Received: (qmail 3152 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Sep 2001 12:09:22 -0000
Date: 15 Sep 2001 12:09:22 -0000
Message-ID: <1000555762.467.3148.je@yahoogroups.com>
File - T1 Mill -- Goblin Burn FAQ.rtf


Simeon Jones
Director
Psisoft Consultancy Services
http://www.psi-soft.co.uk
Phone 01453 833158, fax 01453 834199
The information in this email is confidential and may be legally
privileged. If you are not the intended
recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate that information.
Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any
virus, or any other defect which might affect any computer or IT system
into which they are received and opened, it is the responsibility of the
recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is
accepted by PCS Ltd for any loss or damage arising in any way from
receipt or use thereof.
 
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rakso

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I'm down with the flu and my home modem got fried by lightning, so this is a bit short...

I said something a few days ago about a site putting up some of my articles without my name or even knowledge. Most notably, my rather long-ish Sligh Primer and History (

I was able to talk to the guy running the site, Mr. Simeon Jones. It wasn't the best of times for him since his wife had just given birth. We've graciously settled the matter and had a funny talk about citing your sources for anything you post. He even extended ten pounds worth of store credit as token compensation (I don't know how much that's worth, you know, but if he can get a bunch of random cards across Asia to me, then I'll gladly recommend the service) and I told him I've never minded anyone using my work so long as credit to myself and my site is duly given.

This ends nicely, fortunately, and Mr. Jones was very gracious about it.
 
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Chaos Turtle

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...I think it's safe to close this thread.

If anyone really wants it opened, let a moderator know. -- CT
 
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