Mindmaster Chaos Alliances: Spidey vs Limited vs Mooseman
- Thread starter Spiderman
- Start date
L
Limited
Guest
Ha! My stalling tactics are working 
Mooseman
Isengar Tussle
Untap, upkeep
Attack spidey with Gorilla
Blocks?
Spidey: 17
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U,U) Island x2
(T) Swamp
(T,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(T) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
Bestial Fury (Whenever enchanted creature becomes blocked, it gains +4/+0 and trample ueot)
Scarab of the Unseen (T, sac ~: Return all Auras attached to target permanent you own to their owners hand. Draw a card at the beginning of next turn's upkeep)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (4/2, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate)
(T) Storm Elemental (4/5, flying, 2 library manipulation abilities that don't matter right now since I have no library) * Furied * *Armored*
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 5
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(T) Island
(TT) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(U) Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(U) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
Attack spidey with Gorilla
Blocks?
Spidey: 17
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U,U) Island x2
(T) Swamp
(T,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(T) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
Bestial Fury (Whenever enchanted creature becomes blocked, it gains +4/+0 and trample ueot)
Scarab of the Unseen (T, sac ~: Return all Auras attached to target permanent you own to their owners hand. Draw a card at the beginning of next turn's upkeep)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (4/2, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate)
(T) Storm Elemental (4/5, flying, 2 library manipulation abilities that don't matter right now since I have no library) * Furied * *Armored*
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 5
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(T) Island
(TT) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(U) Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(U) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
Mooseman
Isengar Tussle
Done
Spidey: 15
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U,U) Island x2
(T) Swamp
(T,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(T) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
Bestial Fury (Whenever enchanted creature becomes blocked, it gains +4/+0 and trample ueot)
Scarab of the Unseen (T, sac ~: Return all Auras attached to target permanent you own to their owners hand. Draw a card at the beginning of next turn's upkeep)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (4/2, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate)
(T) Storm Elemental (4/5, flying, 2 library manipulation abilities that don't matter right now since I have no library) * Furied * *Armored*
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 5
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(T) Island
(TT) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(U) Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(U) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
Spidey: 15
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U,U) Island x2
(T) Swamp
(T,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(T) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
Bestial Fury (Whenever enchanted creature becomes blocked, it gains +4/+0 and trample ueot)
Scarab of the Unseen (T, sac ~: Return all Auras attached to target permanent you own to their owners hand. Draw a card at the beginning of next turn's upkeep)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (4/2, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate)
(T) Storm Elemental (4/5, flying, 2 library manipulation abilities that don't matter right now since I have no library) * Furied * *Armored*
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 5
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(T) Island
(TT) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(U) Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(U) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
Untap, upkeep, attack Limited with the Elemental, responses/blocks?
Spidey: 15
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U,U) Island x2
(U) Swamp
(U,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
Bestial Fury (Whenever enchanted creature becomes blocked, it gains +4/+0 and trample ueot)
Scarab of the Unseen (T, sac ~: Return all Auras attached to target permanent you own to their owners hand. Draw a card at the beginning of next turn's upkeep)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (4/2, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate)
(T) Storm Elemental (4/5, flying, 2 library manipulation abilities that don't matter right now since I have no library) * Furied * *Armored*
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 5
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(T) Island
(TT) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(U) Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(U) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
Spidey: 15
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U,U) Island x2
(U) Swamp
(U,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
Bestial Fury (Whenever enchanted creature becomes blocked, it gains +4/+0 and trample ueot)
Scarab of the Unseen (T, sac ~: Return all Auras attached to target permanent you own to their owners hand. Draw a card at the beginning of next turn's upkeep)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (4/2, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate)
(T) Storm Elemental (4/5, flying, 2 library manipulation abilities that don't matter right now since I have no library) * Furied * *Armored*
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 5
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(T) Island
(TT) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(U) Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(U) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
L
Limited
Guest
Tap out for Pyrokinesis on it. If that resolves, I'll tap the Fiend to shoot the Elemental an additional damage.
Pyrokinesis resolves. In response to the Fiend, I'll sac the Scarab to return the Elemental's Auras to my hand. After that resolves, but with the Fiend's Ping on the stack, I'll Tap the Drone, sac the Elemental and a Snow-Covered Swamp to destroy the Fiend. Resolves? If so, then the Fiend's Ping is moot
L
Limited
Guest
I'm afraid you've made a mistake!
Pyrokinesis resolves, dealing four damage to the Elemental. Then you use the Scarab to return all the enchantments on the elemental to your hand. When that resolves, statebased effects are checked, and the Elemental has taken lethal damage.
It is put into the graveyard.
Do you have another creature you want to sack to the Drone?
Pyrokinesis resolves, dealing four damage to the Elemental. Then you use the Scarab to return all the enchantments on the elemental to your hand. When that resolves, statebased effects are checked, and the Elemental has taken lethal damage.
It is put into the graveyard.
Do you have another creature you want to sack to the Drone?
Aw nuts. No, no other creature.
Combat ends.
I'll play the Viscerid Armor on the Steam Beast.
Done.
Let's see if I get this right
Spidey: 15
Hand: 5
In Play:
(T,U) Island x2
(U) Swamp
(T,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (5/3 from Armor, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate) * Armored *
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon, Scarab of the Unseen, Storm Elemental
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 4
In Play:
(TT) 2x Plains
(T) Island
(TT) 2x Swamp
(TT) 2x Mountain
(T) Forest
(T) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(T) Phantasmal Fiend (1/4 from ctr) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued* * +0/-1 ctr *
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods, Pyrokinesis
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
Combat ends.
I'll play the Viscerid Armor on the Steam Beast.
Done.
Let's see if I get this right
Spidey: 15
Hand: 5
In Play:
(T,U) Island x2
(U) Swamp
(T,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (5/3 from Armor, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate) * Armored *
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon, Scarab of the Unseen, Storm Elemental
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 4
In Play:
(TT) 2x Plains
(T) Island
(TT) 2x Swamp
(TT) 2x Mountain
(T) Forest
(T) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(T) Phantasmal Fiend (1/4 from ctr) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued* * +0/-1 ctr *
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods, Pyrokinesis
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
L
Limited
Guest
The Krovikan Plague ability is countered upon resolution, because the target is dead. So, no counter for me
Untap, Upkeep
Forest
Done.
Spidey: 15
Hand: 5
In Play:
(T,U) Island x2
(U) Swamp
(T,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (5/3 from Armor, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate) * Armored *
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon, Scarab of the Unseen, Storm Elemental
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 3
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(U) Island
(UU) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(UU) 2x Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(T) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods, Pyrokinesis
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
Untap, Upkeep
Forest
Done.
Spidey: 15
Hand: 5
In Play:
(T,U) Island x2
(U) Swamp
(T,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (5/3 from Armor, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate) * Armored *
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon, Scarab of the Unseen, Storm Elemental
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 3
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(U) Island
(UU) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(UU) 2x Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(T) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods, Pyrokinesis
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
Mooseman
Isengar Tussle
Untap, Upkeep
Attack Spidey with Gorilla
Done (unless either of you have something special to do)
Spidey: 15 (13?)
Hand: 5
In Play:
(T,U) Island x2
(U) Swamp
(T,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (5/3 from Armor, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate) * Armored *
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon, Scarab of the Unseen, Storm Elemental
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 3
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(U) Island
(UU) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(UU) 2x Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(T) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods, Pyrokinesis
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
Attack Spidey with Gorilla
Done (unless either of you have something special to do)
Spidey: 15 (13?)
Hand: 5
In Play:
(T,U) Island x2
(U) Swamp
(T,U,U,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(U) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(U) Soldevi Steam Beast (5/3 from Armor, whenever ~ becomes tapped, target opponent gains 2 life. 2: regenerate) * Armored *
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon, Scarab of the Unseen, Storm Elemental
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 3
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(U) Island
(UU) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(UU) 2x Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(T) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods, Pyrokinesis
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
(T) Gorilla Berserkers (2/3, Trample, rampage: 2 Cannot be blocked by fewer than three creatures.)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald
RFG:
About the Plague, that's not how I read it. It seems to be in two parts: one is the counter and one is the Ping ability. I think the counter still happens even if the Ping ability fails. Like that Blue counter that tries to counter that red uncounterable spell, the second part of the blue counter (drawing a card?) still happens. Sorry I can't remember the names.
Maybe we should ask in the Rules forum...
Maybe we should ask in the Rules forum...
L
Limited
Guest
If you try to Burnout a blue spell that is uncounterable, Burnout resolves as normal with the countering part just not being applied. You still draw a card because doesn't require the spell to be counterable; it just requires the spell to be there.
In this case, its more like playing a Drain Life for a lot on an opponent's creature. If the opponent somehow sacrifices the creature in response, the Drain Life would not be able to resolve (no legal targets left) and would be countered upon resolving rather than resolve. You don't get the life.
The way this ability is worded, putting a -0/-1 counter on the enchanted creature is part of resolvement. Because all targets of the ability are gone, the ability is countered.
In this case, its more like playing a Drain Life for a lot on an opponent's creature. If the opponent somehow sacrifices the creature in response, the Drain Life would not be able to resolve (no legal targets left) and would be countered upon resolving rather than resolve. You don't get the life.
The way this ability is worded, putting a -0/-1 counter on the enchanted creature is part of resolvement. Because all targets of the ability are gone, the ability is countered.
Mooseman
Isengar Tussle
I have to agree with limited on this.
The ability only has one target and that target is no longer in play.
413.2a If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that’s removed from play, or from the zone designated by the spell or ability, is illegal. A target may also become illegal if its characteristics changed since the spell or ability was played or if an effect changed the text of the spell. The spell or ability is countered if all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal. If the spell or ability is not countered, it will resolve normally, affecting only the targets that are still legal. If a target is illegal, the spell or ability can’t perform any actions on it or make the target perform any actions. If the spell or ability needs to know information about one or more targets that are now illegal, it will use the illegal targets’ current or last known information.
The ability only has one target and that target is no longer in play.
413.2a If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that’s removed from play, or from the zone designated by the spell or ability, is illegal. A target may also become illegal if its characteristics changed since the spell or ability was played or if an effect changed the text of the spell. The spell or ability is countered if all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal. If the spell or ability is not countered, it will resolve normally, affecting only the targets that are still legal. If a target is illegal, the spell or ability can’t perform any actions on it or make the target perform any actions. If the spell or ability needs to know information about one or more targets that are now illegal, it will use the illegal targets’ current or last known information.
But it seems to me that putting a counter on the enchanted permanent IS a target, it's implicit in the definition of "this creature". The resolution of the Plague's Tap ability is in two parts, the counter and the Ping. Placing the counter is not dependent on whether the Ping resolves or not.
I'm gonna ask in the Rules forum if it hasn't been done already
I'm gonna ask in the Rules forum if it hasn't been done already
L
Limited
Guest
The Magic rules are very clear on this: for an effect or spell to target, it uses the word 'target'. The only exception does concern aura's, but only when playing them.
Da Rules! said:
L
Limited
Guest
Spidey, any responses to Moosemans attack?
In response to Mooseman's attack, I will return the Armor to my hand and then tap the Drone and sac a Snow Swamp and the Beast to kill the Gorilla.
Untap, upkeep, Varchild's Crusader, Armor the Crusader, Snow Swamp, Done.
Spidey: 15
Hand: 4
In Play:
(T,U) Island x2
(T) Swamp
(T,T,T,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(T) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(S) Varchild's Crusader (4/3 from Armor, 0: ~ can't be blocked this turn except by Walls. Sac ~ at eot) * Armored *
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon, Scarab of the Unseen, Storm Elemental, Soldevi Steam Beast, Snow-covered Swamp
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 3
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(U) Island
(UU) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(UU) 2x Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(T) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods, Pyrokinesis
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald, Gorilla Beserkers
RFG:
Untap, upkeep, Varchild's Crusader, Armor the Crusader, Snow Swamp, Done.
Spidey: 15
Hand: 4
In Play:
(T,U) Island x2
(T) Swamp
(T,T,T,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(T) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(S) Varchild's Crusader (4/3 from Armor, 0: ~ can't be blocked this turn except by Walls. Sac ~ at eot) * Armored *
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon, Scarab of the Unseen, Storm Elemental, Soldevi Steam Beast, Snow-covered Swamp
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 3
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(U) Island
(UU) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(UU) 2x Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(T) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods, Pyrokinesis
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald, Gorilla Beserkers
RFG:
L
Limited
Guest
EOT, I'll make another Soldier token.
Untap, upkeep
Done.
Spidey: 15
Hand: 4
In Play:
(T,U) Island x2
(T) Swamp
(T,T,T,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(T) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(S) Varchild's Crusader (4/3 from Armor, 0: ~ can't be blocked this turn except by Walls. Sac ~ at eot) * Armored *
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon, Scarab of the Unseen, Storm Elemental, Soldevi Steam Beast, Snow-covered Swamp
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 3
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(U) Island
(UU) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(UU) 2x Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(U) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods, Pyrokinesis
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald, Gorilla Beserkers
RFG:
Untap, upkeep
Done.
Spidey: 15
Hand: 4
In Play:
(T,U) Island x2
(T) Swamp
(T,T,T,U) Snow-covered Swamp x4
(U) Plains
(T) Mt
Viscerid Armor (Enchanted creature get +1/+1. 1U return ~ to its owners hand)
(U) Viscerid Drone (1/2, T, sac a creature and a Swamp: Bury target nonartifact creature. T, sac a creature and a snow Swamp: Bury target creature)
(S) Varchild's Crusader (4/3 from Armor, 0: ~ can't be blocked this turn except by Walls. Sac ~ at eot) * Armored *
Graveyard: Stench of Decay, Phyrexian Boon, Scarab of the Unseen, Storm Elemental, Soldevi Steam Beast, Snow-covered Swamp
RFG:
Limited: 8
Hand: 3
In Play:
(UU) 2x Plains
(U) Island
(UU) 2x Swamp
(UU) 2x Mountain
(UU) 2x Forest
(U) Kjeldoran Outpost [1W,T: Get a 1/1 White Soldier token]
Noble Steeds (1W: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
Krovikan Plague (Enchanted non-Wall creature you control has "T: Put a -0/-1 counter on this creature, and Krovikan Plague deals 1 damage to target creature or player") *on the Fiend*
(U) Phantasmal Fiend (1/5) [B:+1/-1 ueot. 1U: Switch P/T ueot] *Plagued*
(U) Soldevi Heretic (2/2) [W,T: Prevent the next 2 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. Target opponent may draw a card.]
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
(U) Soldier Token (1/1)
Graveyard: Plains, Whip Vine, Gift of the Woods, Pyrokinesis
RFG:
Mooseman: 20
Hand: 4
In Play:
(U) Plains
(U) Mountain
(U) Forest
(UUUUUU) Snow-covered Forest
(U) Sol Grail (T:U)
(U) Astrolabe (1, tap: Sacrifice Astrolabe to add two mana of any one color to your mana pool. Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.)
Noble Steeds (1w: Target creature gains first strike ueot)
(U) Phyrexian War Beast (3/4, If Phyrexian War Beast leaves play, sacrifice a land, and Phyrexian War Beast deals 1 damage to you.)
(U) Elvish Spirit Guide (2/2)
Graveyard: Insidious Bookworms, Agent of Strongald, Gorilla Beserkers
RFG: