Anti-Loot Box Law

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by turgy22, May 9, 2019.

  1. turgy22 Nothing Special

  2. Mooseman Isengar Tussle

    Kind of agree with this bill. Many games use this as their business model.
  3. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    I haven't really thought about it much because I don't buy anything of the few games that I play that have this kind of thing, and I watch what my kids spend in games. But if pressed, I'd say the choice should be the players/parents - no one's forcing anyone to buy them and if someone feels they "need" to have it, it should be explained that they don't and/or they need to play something else.
  4. turgy22 Nothing Special

    I'm in agreement with Spidey on this one.
    I think the proposed law will be very popular with groups of people who get up in arms every time some feature like loot boxes is introduced, but I think it's a bad idea to regulate this sort of thing.
    The best argument would be that these practices prey on youth who aren't responsible with their spending, but I've always felt that parents need to take a more active role in monitoring their kids' behavior. If your kid's spending hundreds or thousands of dollars to get ahead in an online game, that's on you to stop; not the government.
    I'm also opposed from a personal perspective. I do spend a lot of time playing "freemium" games and love that I can enjoy these games for free because other people are willing to shell out the money to fund them. I know I'll never be in that top tier of players, but I'm okay with that because I enjoy the grind. If other people need to reach the highest levels and are willing to pull out their wallets to get there, I'm okay with that.
    Finally, I just got to say that my experience tells me whenever the government gets involved in this sort of thing, it's only going to get screwed up.
  5. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    So I'm late to the party on this one, but I wanted to read up on it first and now I finally have.

    I tend to be critical of "think of the children" politics, and that's basically what this is. You want to convince me that some law is a good idea? Fine, argue on the actual merits of it. Don't try to throw kids at me. It won't work.

    Well, I'm also pretty biased on this stuff because it's basically casino games. And I hate that stuff. It was involved in some real, lasting damage that was done in my family and I have a bit of a visceral aversion to casino games. But I don't want them banned. People should be free to make their own choices. I've always believed that. Still do.

    But you know, now that we come to it, casinos and casino games are regulated. They can be subject to some pretty strict legal measures. None of that was anything I asked for. It's been that way since long before I came around. But it is an established thing in our society, right? We don't have the government unilaterally keep people from casino games, but we do have a lot of laws about virtually every aspect of that stuff. Where, when, and how it's done, and I'm pretty sure that those laws also have some stuff to say about kids. The whole package of numerous and highly severe laws we have concerning casinos is apparently not enough to put them out of business for good, and as much as I loathe them, fine. They can do business. Let people make their own choices.

    What we've had, though, for years now, is a world with this online games that have what Richard Garfield called the "Skinnerware" model, that keep approaching closer and closer to just being actual casino games. The vile purveyors of these products always hid behind this excuse of how it was all just silly games for kids and stuff. It's not really gambling. No Senator, it's nothing like Roulette or Blackjack. It's just these silly fantasy video games, see? It's not real. It's all just fake. Pretend. All the way to the bank.

    So now someone's actually taking them to task for this? Fine. It smacks of the same "think of the children" politics I can't stand and I'm not convinced that it'll do any good. But I'm up for trying it out anyway as a step in the right direction. It's stupidly kid-focused and most of the "whales" for these games are probably adults anyway, but I'll take what I can get. If we're going to have strict laws regarding "real" casino games, let's set those same standards for their virtual counterparts. If it doesn't work, maybe we can move on to drawing and quartering the greedy exploitative pieces of crap who peddle thinly disguised casino games to addicts.

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