Killer Joe
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What if the Germans and Japan had defeated the Allies during WWII?
Stupid "What if..." question
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turgy22
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Sorry to post a serious response...
I think a lot of factors go into assessing such a scenario. The first and most important would be exactly how and to what extent were the allies "defeated?" One of the most critical errors that Germany made during the war was turning on Russia and thus spreading themselves out too thin and against too many adversaries. In the circumstance where Germany kept this truce, I think they would have conquered Europe and stopped, maybe keeping a foot in the middle east. I don't believe that either Germany or Japan really had a chance to "defeat" the U.S. The Americas are simply too isolated and control too many resources to have been conquered and occupied successfully.
So, to answer the question, I can imagine 3 scenarios:
1) Germany conquers Europe. Japan controls most of the south Pacific and a piece of China. Then a truce is called when everyone realizes they don't have much more to gain without losing everything back.
2) Germany conquers Europe. Japan controls most of the south Pacific and a piece of China. They continue fighting because they're power-hungry and want to control the world or because the U.S. and China want to take back what was conquered. The fighting continues indefinitely or ...
3) Stops when everyone dies when we invent nuclear weapons powerful enough to wipe out the world.
I think a lot of factors go into assessing such a scenario. The first and most important would be exactly how and to what extent were the allies "defeated?" One of the most critical errors that Germany made during the war was turning on Russia and thus spreading themselves out too thin and against too many adversaries. In the circumstance where Germany kept this truce, I think they would have conquered Europe and stopped, maybe keeping a foot in the middle east. I don't believe that either Germany or Japan really had a chance to "defeat" the U.S. The Americas are simply too isolated and control too many resources to have been conquered and occupied successfully.
So, to answer the question, I can imagine 3 scenarios:
1) Germany conquers Europe. Japan controls most of the south Pacific and a piece of China. Then a truce is called when everyone realizes they don't have much more to gain without losing everything back.
2) Germany conquers Europe. Japan controls most of the south Pacific and a piece of China. They continue fighting because they're power-hungry and want to control the world or because the U.S. and China want to take back what was conquered. The fighting continues indefinitely or ...
3) Stops when everyone dies when we invent nuclear weapons powerful enough to wipe out the world.
turgy22
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I don't think the U.S. would have dropped the A-bomb on either Japan or Germany. Assuming they had "won" the war, I'm assuming that we never would have gained the air superiority that was necessary to deliver the bombs. So while the fighting reaches a stalemate, both sides continue developing more and more powerful bombs, along with the technology to deliver them without needing an airplane (modern ICBMs) and eventually, someone fires first and wipes out the world. Or at least pollutes it with enough radiation to cause a serious dent in the population.
Thread-killer!
A couple of things went America's way in the Pacific: breaking Japan's code and winning a couple of major sea battles. If those had not happened, Japan would have gained control of the Pacific and could have started an invasion of the US (probably would have definitely taken Hawaii), either starting on US soil proper or coming up from Mexico and the south.
Probably after defeating China though.
A couple of things went America's way in the Pacific: breaking Japan's code and winning a couple of major sea battles. If those had not happened, Japan would have gained control of the Pacific and could have started an invasion of the US (probably would have definitely taken Hawaii), either starting on US soil proper or coming up from Mexico and the south.
Probably after defeating China though.
Killer Joe
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Just wondering: After dropping the a-bomb on Japan, would it have been a possibility to move on to China and possibly have stomped out communisim at it's birth? What if Patton would've been allowed to move on after the fall of Berlin and crush Uncle Joe's red army, would communisim have been stopped altogether?
Hmmmm,.....
I posted the original question because I had only briefly heard about Pat Buchannan's book about WWII and how the British dropped the ball at the on set of the war. Maybe if more "important" folks had read Hitler's Mein Kaumf (sp?) he could've stopped earlier like in 1935 or so.
Hmmmm,.....
I posted the original question because I had only briefly heard about Pat Buchannan's book about WWII and how the British dropped the ball at the on set of the war. Maybe if more "important" folks had read Hitler's Mein Kaumf (sp?) he could've stopped earlier like in 1935 or so.
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rokapoke
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... and for the record, I believe the title is "Mein Kampf." And if I knew the slightest thing about the book other than the title, I could make some other contribution on that front.
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Budget Player Cadet
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Zeig Heil, Mein Kampf, etc... I've heard it to the point of being ridiculous, and to which I, as a german jew, can only link to this:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y248/mstieler/Achievement.jpg
And laugh my ass off.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y248/mstieler/Achievement.jpg
And laugh my ass off.
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BigBlue
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Define "Defeat" the allies...
Are you saying take over Europe, Asia, and the Pacific? Or do you think they could have invaded the US...
It's hard to re-write history with a broad stroke... at least it's hard without giving specific instances where they would have won.
Are you saying take over Europe, Asia, and the Pacific? Or do you think they could have invaded the US...
It's hard to re-write history with a broad stroke... at least it's hard without giving specific instances where they would have won.
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Nightstalkers
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And what if our world and very thoughts are just simulations in a giant sim game? What if Hitler were a player controlled character?