A good sequal to fallen empires.

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Ura

Guest
hey all you CPAers out there! :)

This for all the people who liked the Fallen Empires set or at least some of the creature types in it. I want to make an expansion of the same fashion as FE, but better. I want to use all the cool old creature types like Dwarves, Orcs, Thallids, Thrulls, Homarids, and so forth.
So what I want from you is input for cool card ideas that would actually fit the flow, creature types that would be good to use in it, and that kind of thing.

The set will be the same size as the original Fallen Empires, or at least close to it and every color will have 2 major races to represent it. Other than that however, I'm just gonna wing it. :D
 
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Ogg

Guest
I didn't like Fallen Empires much, but the creature types were cool. I'll spend school tomorrow thinking up cards... If I don't forget. This is OGG you know. =P
 
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Mordecai

Guest
I would definitely make inclusion of Dwarves a necessity. WotC has been cracking down on Dwarves, and blast it, I want to see some more. They haven't printed one since WEATHERLIGHT!! They even went so far as to take Dwarven Warriors out of the base set! I am appalled.

Here are some ideas:

Dwarven Battlerager, 1RR
Creature--Dwarf
3/1
If Dwarven Battlerager is blocked, it gets +3/+0 and trample until end of turn.

[This is what Dwarven Berserker SHOULD have been, so I am improving on my favorite card...]

Dwarven Patriarch, 1R
Creature--Dwarf
1/1
When Dwarven Patriarch goes to a graveyard from play, all Dwarves get +1/+1 until end of turn.
Sacrifice Dwarven Patriarch: All Dwarves get +1/+1 until end of turn.

Dwarven Bodyguard, R
Creature--Dwarf
1/1
T: Regenerate Dwarven Bodyguard

Dwarven Priest, 1WR
Creature--Dwarf Cleric
1/3
Sacrifice Dwarven Priest: Prevent all damage that would be dealt to any Dwarves until end of turn.

Subterranean Ambush, RR
Sorcery
Bury all creatures with Mountainwalk.

Ancestral Armor, RR
Enchant Creature
Ancestral Armor may only enchant Dwarves.
Enchanted Creature gets +X/+X where X is the number of mountains you control.

[Fair in normal sets, but if there are enough Dwarves in this set, it'll be undercosted.]
 
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nodnarb24

Guest
How can you forget merfolk. They are more merfolk(11) in FE then there are homarids(only 4)
 
F

FoundationOfRancor

Guest
What are some mechanics that you want in here Ura?
Or do you not want Block-mechanics (like the original FE)




?
 
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Ura

Guest
I was thinking about using merfolk, but they still have stuff made for them normally in the current sets and I wanted to try and utilize creature types that got stepped on and ignored, so homarids were my initial choice for blue.

As for mechanics, probably just the basic "classic" ones and one or two other.

"classic abilities"
First Strike
Banding
Trample
Rampage
Flying

"others I'm considering"
Flanking
ACC style cards
Haste

feel free to give suggestions! :D
cheers
 
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Ogg

Guest
There were lots of merfolk from the Rath Cycle, or some anyway. I will try Thallids and Thrulls.

Thrull Berserker, 2BB
Creature - Thrull
2/1, Thrull Berserker gets
+2/+2 and Trample if blocked
by a black creature.
"The success of the rebellion didn't stop these."

Thrull Psychopath, BB
Creature - Thrull
1/1
T: Tap target creature.
T, Sac: Destroy target Creature.
"What's wrong with this one?!" Icatian General, last words.

Mold Thallid, 1G
Creature - Fungus Wall
0/1, Prevent all damage done to MT by creatures. All creatures blocked by MT don't untap during controllers next phase.
"Blast this sticky mold! Does it TRY to impede us?", Unknown Elf. (?)

Thrullid, 1GB
Creature - Thrull Fungus
2/2, Put Spore counter on Thrullid during upkeep. Remove 3 Spore counters, deal 1 damage to any target. Remove 3 counters, Regenerate. Remove 3 counters, +1/+1 until turn ends.
"Uh oh. They're merging!!" Icatian Soldier, last words.

These are just ideas, I might do more later if I'm too bored.
 
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Thrash Golem

Guest
Icatian Thallid - 3G
Summon Town Fungus
tap: prevent one damage to target creature or player
tap: add a spore counter to Icatian Thallid
During your upkeep, put a spore counter on Icatian Fungus
2/4



Fungal Landslide - XGGG
Sorcery
Put X Saproling tokens into play. Treat these tokens as 1/1 green creatures.



Order of the Green Fist - GG
Summon Cleric
GG: +1/+0 until end of turn.
G: Trample until end of turn.
2/1


Surgeon of the Wastes - WGUBR
Summon Doctor
Sacrifice a Citizen: Put a 1/1 Saproling token into play
Sacrifice a Saproling: Put a 1/1 Homarid token into play
Sacrifice a Homarid: Put a 1/1 Thrull token into play.
Sacrifice a Thrull: Put a 1/1 Orc token into play.
Sacrifice an Orc: Put a 1/1 Citizen token into play.
0/3


(dream card)
Rich Soil - GGG
Enchantment
All Saprolings get +1/+1
All Fungus get +0/+2


Lurking Wumpus - 3UU
Summon Wumpus
BBB: Each player draws a card.
BBBBBB, pay 4 life: target opponent discards an amount of cards equal to the number of cards in your hand.
4, tap, sacrifice: All players discard their hands.






Ehehehheh i made dese up rite now
 
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Ura

Guest
Ok, this set idea is really quickly expanding into just more than a sequal to fallen empires. Too many ideas to just ignore them all. So if anyone who wants to help could do me a big favor and put in 2 maybe 3 races for each color. Preferably a good and an evil one for the colors that can do it, obviously black and white kinda can't.

Thanks for the help and input so far, keep it coming. :)
 
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Thrash Golem

Guest
for Blue you could have Dolphins..


Raging Dolphin
4UU
Summon Dolphin
Haste, Islandwalk, First Strike
5/5

Infant Porpoise
UUUU
Summon Dolphin
During your upkeep, you may pay 2 to put a +1/+0 counter on Infant Porpoise.
Islandwalk, Protection from Black.
0/5


for red, Tribals

Tribal Chief
4R
Summon Tribal
All red creatures gain First Strike and Haste.
1/3

Village Tribal
RR
Summon Tribal
Haste
2/1


for black, Lurkers

Swamp Lurker
3B
Summon Lurker
Swampwalk
3: target nonbasic land is a Swamp in addition to its normal type until end of turn.
4/2


Night Lurker
5BBB
Summon Lurker
Swampwalk, Flying, Protection from White
B: +2/+0 until end of turn
4: target basic land is a swamp in addition to its normal type until end of turn.


for white, hero's

Glorious Hero
3W
Summon Hero
Tap: destroy target creature that dealt damage to a creature you control this turn.
Tap: add W to your mana pool
Tap: Target white creature gets +0/+6 until end of turn.
1/4

Enlightened Hero
4W
Summon Hero
Tap: look at the top card of your library. If it is an enchantment, put it into your hand.
3, tap: counter target activated ability or spell targeting a white enchantment you control


and green: Leaflings

Gaea's LEafling
2GGG
Summon Leafling
Gaea's Leafling cannot be targeted by opponents as long as you control a Forest.
Forestwalk.
When attacking, Gaea's Leafling has toughness equal to the number of forests in play and power equal to 1. This does not count enchantments on gaea's leafling.
3/4


Weatherseed LEafling
GGGG
Summon Leafling
Trample, Forestwalk
tap: destroy target nonbasic land that produces G
3: bury weatherseed leafling and put four 0/1 leaf tokens into play.
At the end of your turn, put an 0/1 leaf token into play.
1/3


well that tooka while to think up
 
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FoundationOfRancor

Guest
I think for red we should get some "townsfolk" action. I havent seem them for a while.

Also, for black
Abomination
Demon
Monster
Lurker! Yes! Score!


Ura, I have some of these races in my sliver set, if you wanna use those cards, be my guest
 
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Fire Slinger

Guest
Evolution
2UU
Enchantment
All merfolk gain mountainwalk and forestwalk.


Kalemirama, Merfolk Overlord
3UURR
Summon-Legendary Dragon
Flying.
2: Target merfolk gains flying until end of turn.
1: Target merfolk gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
4/4

[Edited by Fire Slinger on September 15th, 2000 at 03:51 PM]
 
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Ura

Guest
Heres what I've chosen so far for creature types in each color.

White: Townsfolk, Unicorns/Pegesai, Heros
Red: Dwarves!! :D , Orcs, Gargoyals or dragons for the third, haven't decided yet.
Black: Demons, Drow, Necromancers
Green: Sprites/Pixies, Treefolk, haven't picked a third yet
Blue: Merfolk (by popular demand), Pirates, Wizards

Any suggestions for the third red or green creature type?
Any more suggestions in general?
feel free to post card ideas here for these creature types to help me out too. ^_^
 
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Fire Slinger

Guest
Pick Dragon for the red creature type.

I can come up with a lot of dragons.
 
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Thrash Golem

Guest
gargoyles, ura.. too many dragons. remember everyone wanted to make a gargoyle deck for the tourney but there werent enough floating around?

and jake will start to stutter if you make another dragon.

"hey nick, got any dragons?"

"why not?"

"get more dragons, nick!"

sound familiar?


and the green creature make it dryads. there becoming popular.

Dryad Overlord
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
All dryads gain +12/+12, trample, and forestwalk.
Can block any number of creatures.
0/60

0: target land is a forest forever. even in games after this one. mark this by writing the word forest on the card, especially if it's a rishadan port.

if you have 2 permanents, you may pay 300 life instead of paying the casting cost.
 
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Cateran Emperor

Guest
3rd green race MUST be Thallids/Saprolings. NO two ways about it, they're just too cool. Also, how about some Kjeldoran Outpostish lands for each color. Like this:

Orcish Encampment
Uncommon
Land
When Orcish Encampment comes into play, sacrifice an untapped mountain or sacrifice it.
RR,T: Put an Orc token into play. Treat this token as a 2/1 Creature with haste.
T: Add R to your mana pool.

Also, how about a a Lord and a legendary Lord for each type:

Kazgahr the Furious, Orcish Warlord
Rare
3RR
Creature - Orc Legend
All Orcs gain Haste and Plainswalk.
3RR: Untap all creatures who attacked this turn. You may declare an additional attack step this turn. At end of turn, remove Kazgahr from the game.
4/3

Orcish Warlord
Rare
Creature - Lord
2RR
All Orcs gain +1/+1 and Protection from White
2/2
 
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Ogg

Guest
And you forgot Thrulls in black...

Are you going to reprint older cards, such as Fungal Bloom, or Thrull Champion?

I'm too lazy to think up more cards right now.
 
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Ura

Guest
Cateran Emperor:

My orcish warlord is almost identical to that except he doesn't give pro white.
Thallids were my idea too, they're just too cool. :)
And don't worry, I'm gonna try to do a gold legend for each race if I can. :)

Oog: The reason I didn't pick thrulls is cause I though Drow would be cooler and more fun to work with since they haven't been done before. :)
Plus I wasn't planning to do reprints in this set, but they could be easily added in.

[Edited by Ura on September 17th, 2000 at 01:34 AM]
 
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